"Thomas Bartlett" <t.bartl***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This posting is simultaneously sent to three forums in the
> microsoft.windowsxp suite of newsgroups.  I hope that does not violate any
> established protocols.
>
> I am a novice in learning Hebrew, and have just installed the Hebrew font
> on
> my Windows XP standalone home computer, which uses Office 2007.  By
> striking
> the keys of my English qwerty keyboard, I can make the Hebrew consonants
> appear, but I haven't figured how to make the vowels appear.
>
> I am not familiar with the arrangement of a Hebrew keyboard, and I hope
> there may be some way to map the input from an English qwerty keyboard to
> the Hebrew output, using phonetic correspondence (whether rough or fine).
> Chinese is also installed on my computer and allows very convenient input
> through romanized spellings, so I hope Hebrew letters can also be
> generated
> the same way in cyber documents, by mapping to English letters on the
> keyboard.
>
> For example, in the Control Panel > Regional and Language Settings area, I
> have found two options for the Hebrew Keyboard:  one is 'Hebrew' and the
> other 'US'.  However, I don't see any effective difference in the pattern
> of
> output.
>
> By repeated hunt and peck, I have found that striking the English letters
> 'ako' will generate the Hebrew ??? , which I suppose are the consonants of
> 'shalom', and thus might be recognizable as that word, although a friend
> has
> shown me a form which indicates that a letter representing the 'o' is
> customarily also used.  However, that's a vowel, and I don't see it among
> the Hebrew output from striking all the qwerty keys.  So I'm assuming that
> the typed form doesn't use vowels.
>
> I'll welcome any guidance on these points:
>
> 1) can the Hebrew output be mapped phonetically to more less corresponding
> keys on the qwerty keyboard, so that input could be accomplished
> successfully as if by spelling the Hebrew word in a romanized form?  If
> so,
> how do I configure that in the Windows XP Service Pack 3 setup?
>
> 2) are there vowels in the Hebrew font installed in Windows XP?
>
> 3) is modern Hebrew customarily written without vowels?
>
> Sorry for the extreme naivety of my questions.
>
> Thomas
>

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.***@fly.com.oz> wrote in message
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>
> "Thomas Bartlett" <t.bartl***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:490dbb94$0$28214$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> This posting is simultaneously sent to three forums in the
>> microsoft.windowsxp suite of newsgroups.  I hope that does not violate
>> any established protocols.
>>
>> I am a novice in learning Hebrew, and have just installed the Hebrew font
>> on
>> my Windows XP standalone home computer, which uses Office 2007.  By
>> striking
>> the keys of my English qwerty keyboard, I can make the Hebrew consonants
>> appear, but I haven't figured how to make the vowels appear.
>>
>> I am not familiar with the arrangement of a Hebrew keyboard, and I hope
>> there may be some way to map the input from an English qwerty keyboard to
>> the Hebrew output, using phonetic correspondence (whether rough or fine).
>> Chinese is also installed on my computer and allows very convenient input
>> through romanized spellings, so I hope Hebrew letters can also be
>> generated
>> the same way in cyber documents, by mapping to English letters on the
>> keyboard.
>>
>> For example, in the Control Panel > Regional and Language Settings area,
>> I
>> have found two options for the Hebrew Keyboard:  one is 'Hebrew' and the
>> other 'US'.  However, I don't see any effective difference in the pattern
>> of
>> output.
>>
>> By repeated hunt and peck, I have found that striking the English letters
>> 'ako' will generate the Hebrew ??? , which I suppose are the consonants
>> of
>> 'shalom', and thus might be recognizable as that word, although a friend
>> has
>> shown me a form which indicates that a letter representing the 'o' is
>> customarily also used.  However, that's a vowel, and I don't see it among
>> the Hebrew output from striking all the qwerty keys.  So I'm assuming
>> that
>> the typed form doesn't use vowels.
>>
>> I'll welcome any guidance on these points:
>>
>> 1) can the Hebrew output be mapped phonetically to more less
>> corresponding
>> keys on the qwerty keyboard, so that input could be accomplished
>> successfully as if by spelling the Hebrew word in a romanized form?  If
>> so,
>> how do I configure that in the Windows XP Service Pack 3 setup?
>>
>> 2) are there vowels in the Hebrew font installed in Windows XP?
>>
>> 3) is modern Hebrew customarily written without vowels?
>>
>> Sorry for the extreme naivety of my questions.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>
> You can see the layout of all keyboards (including Hebrew) here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx. Note that you
> must use Internet Explorer to see the map.
>

"Thomas Bartlett" <t.bartl***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the tip. Using my IE8 beta2, I went to the linked website and
> selected Hebrew from the long dropdown menu. Then nothing happened.  I
> thought that my selecting a language would cause the keyboard of that
> language to be displayed, but it didn't.  I don't see any other button or
> hyperlinked words to click on, so I'm stumped.  I saw a clue about turning
> off pop-up blockers, so I did that, but with no effect.  I must be
> overlooking something.  Or could it be that IE8 beta2 isn't clued in to
> this?
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.***@fly.com.oz> wrote in message
> news:##5B2YQPJHA.1744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Thomas Bartlett" <t.bartl***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:490dbb94$0$28214$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> This posting is simultaneously sent to three forums in the
>>> microsoft.windowsxp suite of newsgroups.  I hope that does not violate
>>> any established protocols.
>>>
>>> I am a novice in learning Hebrew, and have just installed the Hebrew
>>> font on
>>> my Windows XP standalone home computer, which uses Office 2007.  By
>>> striking
>>> the keys of my English qwerty keyboard, I can make the Hebrew consonants
>>> appear, but I haven't figured how to make the vowels appear.
>>>
>>> I am not familiar with the arrangement of a Hebrew keyboard, and I hope
>>> there may be some way to map the input from an English qwerty keyboard
>>> to
>>> the Hebrew output, using phonetic correspondence (whether rough or
>>> fine).
>>> Chinese is also installed on my computer and allows very convenient
>>> input
>>> through romanized spellings, so I hope Hebrew letters can also be
>>> generated
>>> the same way in cyber documents, by mapping to English letters on the
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> For example, in the Control Panel > Regional and Language Settings area,
>>> I
>>> have found two options for the Hebrew Keyboard:  one is 'Hebrew' and the
>>> other 'US'.  However, I don't see any effective difference in the
>>> pattern of
>>> output.
>>>
>>> By repeated hunt and peck, I have found that striking the English
>>> letters
>>> 'ako' will generate the Hebrew ??? , which I suppose are the consonants
>>> of
>>> 'shalom', and thus might be recognizable as that word, although a friend
>>> has
>>> shown me a form which indicates that a letter representing the 'o' is
>>> customarily also used.  However, that's a vowel, and I don't see it
>>> among
>>> the Hebrew output from striking all the qwerty keys.  So I'm assuming
>>> that
>>> the typed form doesn't use vowels.
>>>
>>> I'll welcome any guidance on these points:
>>>
>>> 1) can the Hebrew output be mapped phonetically to more less
>>> corresponding
>>> keys on the qwerty keyboard, so that input could be accomplished
>>> successfully as if by spelling the Hebrew word in a romanized form?  If
>>> so,
>>> how do I configure that in the Windows XP Service Pack 3 setup?
>>>
>>> 2) are there vowels in the Hebrew font installed in Windows XP?
>>>
>>> 3) is modern Hebrew customarily written without vowels?
>>>
>>> Sorry for the extreme naivety of my questions.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>
>> You can see the layout of all keyboards (including Hebrew) here:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx. Note that
>> you must use Internet Explorer to see the map.
>>

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.***@fly.com.oz> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I am unable to resolve your IE problems for you. However, I created
> a document showing the two available Hebrew keyboard maps (unshifted and
> shifted). You can download it from here for a short period of time:
> http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/2012237_g5vhr/Hebrew.doc
>
>
> "Thomas Bartlett" <t.bartl***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:490dda9d$0$18424$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Thanks for the tip. Using my IE8 beta2, I went to the linked website and
>> selected Hebrew from the long dropdown menu. Then nothing happened.  I
>> thought that my selecting a language would cause the keyboard of that
>> language to be displayed, but it didn't.  I don't see any other button or
>> hyperlinked words to click on, so I'm stumped.  I saw a clue about
>> turning off pop-up blockers, so I did that, but with no effect.  I must
>> be overlooking something.  Or could it be that IE8 beta2 isn't clued in
>> to this?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.***@fly.com.oz> wrote in message
>> news:##5B2YQPJHA.1744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Thomas Bartlett" <t.bartl***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:490dbb94$0$28214$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> This posting is simultaneously sent to three forums in the
>>>> microsoft.windowsxp suite of newsgroups.  I hope that does not violate
>>>> any established protocols.
>>>>
>>>> I am a novice in learning Hebrew, and have just installed the Hebrew
>>>> font on
>>>> my Windows XP standalone home computer, which uses Office 2007.  By
>>>> striking
>>>> the keys of my English qwerty keyboard, I can make the Hebrew
>>>> consonants
>>>> appear, but I haven't figured how to make the vowels appear.
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with the arrangement of a Hebrew keyboard, and I hope
>>>> there may be some way to map the input from an English qwerty keyboard
>>>> to
>>>> the Hebrew output, using phonetic correspondence (whether rough or
>>>> fine).
>>>> Chinese is also installed on my computer and allows very convenient
>>>> input
>>>> through romanized spellings, so I hope Hebrew letters can also be
>>>> generated
>>>> the same way in cyber documents, by mapping to English letters on the
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> For example, in the Control Panel > Regional and Language Settings
>>>> area, I
>>>> have found two options for the Hebrew Keyboard:  one is 'Hebrew' and
>>>> the
>>>> other 'US'.  However, I don't see any effective difference in the
>>>> pattern of
>>>> output.
>>>>
>>>> By repeated hunt and peck, I have found that striking the English
>>>> letters
>>>> 'ako' will generate the Hebrew ??? , which I suppose are the consonants
>>>> of
>>>> 'shalom', and thus might be recognizable as that word, although a
>>>> friend has
>>>> shown me a form which indicates that a letter representing the 'o' is
>>>> customarily also used.  However, that's a vowel, and I don't see it
>>>> among
>>>> the Hebrew output from striking all the qwerty keys.  So I'm assuming
>>>> that
>>>> the typed form doesn't use vowels.
>>>>
>>>> I'll welcome any guidance on these points:
>>>>
>>>> 1) can the Hebrew output be mapped phonetically to more less
>>>> corresponding
>>>> keys on the qwerty keyboard, so that input could be accomplished
>>>> successfully as if by spelling the Hebrew word in a romanized form?  If
>>>> so,
>>>> how do I configure that in the Windows XP Service Pack 3 setup?
>>>>
>>>> 2) are there vowels in the Hebrew font installed in Windows XP?
>>>>
>>>> 3) is modern Hebrew customarily written without vowels?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the extreme naivety of my questions.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can see the layout of all keyboards (including Hebrew) here:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx. Note that
>>> you must use Internet Explorer to see the map.
>>>
>
>

> I am a novice in learning Hebrew, and have just installed the Hebrew font
> on
> my Windows XP standalone home computer, which uses Office 2007.  By
> striking
> the keys of my English qwerty keyboard, I can make the Hebrew consonants
> appear, but I haven't figured how to make the vowels appear.
>
> I am not familiar with the arrangement of a Hebrew keyboard, and I hope
> there may be some way to map the input from an English qwerty keyboard to
> the Hebrew output, using phonetic correspondence (whether rough or fine).
> Chinese is also installed on my computer and allows very convenient input
> through romanized spellings, so I hope Hebrew letters can also be
> generated
> the same way in cyber documents, by mapping to English letters on the
> keyboard.
>
> For example, in the Control Panel > Regional and Language Settings area, I
> have found two options for the Hebrew Keyboard:  one is 'Hebrew' and the
> other 'US'.  However, I don't see any effective difference in the pattern
> of
> output.
>
> By repeated hunt and peck, I have found that striking the English letters
> 'ako' will generate the Hebrew ??? , which I suppose are the consonants of
> 'shalom', and thus might be recognizable as that word, although a friend
> has
> shown me a form which indicates that a letter representing the 'o' is
> customarily also used.  However, that's a vowel, and I don't see it among
> the Hebrew output from striking all the qwerty keys.  So I'm assuming that
> the typed form doesn't use vowels.
>
> I'll welcome any guidance on these points:
>
> 1) can the Hebrew output be mapped phonetically to more less corresponding
> keys on the qwerty keyboard, so that input could be accomplished
> successfully as if by spelling the Hebrew word in a romanized form?  If
> so,
> how do I configure that in the Windows XP Service Pack 3 setup?
>
> 2) are there vowels in the Hebrew font installed in Windows XP?
>
> 3) is modern Hebrew customarily written without vowels?
>
> Sorry for the extreme naivety of my questions.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>

"HeyBub" <hey***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thomas Bartlett wrote:
>>
>> 3) is modern Hebrew customarily written without vowels?
>>
>
> Yes. Though even with vowels, it can get confusing.
>
> The Masorites in the 3rd century invented the vowels to help the novice
> with reading Hebrew. Yet there was a problem: The Hebrew word for God,
> YHWH, was never read aloud in the synagogue. Instead, the word "Adonai"
> was spoken as a substitute. So, when adding vowels to the Torah, the
> Masorites simply used the vowels for "adonai" everywhere the word YHWH
> appeared.
>
> Martin Luther, in translating the Hebrew Bible to German didn't know this
> trick. So everywhere the word YHWH appeared, he created a new word using
> the YHWH and the vowels from "adonai." This yielded the word "Yehowa."
> When his edition of the Bible was translated into English, "Y" became "J"
> and "W" became "V" resulting in "Jehova."
>
> We now have whole religions built around a twice made-up word unknown to
> Jesus or Moses.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Still, it's not exceedingly tough. The Hebrew Bible contains some 8,200
> different Hebrew words. With the Talmud, you'll add another 5,000
> different words. So, the entire corpus of Jewish religion and law can be
> mastered with a 13,000 word vocabulary. Shakeseare used (some say) about
> 30,000 different words for his works.